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    With there being some suggestion on here that they were not working on the engines, here is today's post (which also has pictures not attached here) from the project :

    This weekend, work continued on our Starboard main engine as the head was removed from cylinder no. 8 along with the crank case doors removed all for inspection and gasket replacement. We will shortly be removing the blowers from both engines for overhaul, beginning the process of a maintenence cycle for both.

    This ensures both engines begin their time after lying dormant at equal levels and then can be monitored and run and maintained as equal as possible.

    Exciting times for our engineers!

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    There could now be two vessels sailing between Liverpool, Llandudno and Anglesey

    A team transforming an abandoned ship into a working cruiser to sail between Liverpool and North Wales are also on the verge of buying a second boat for the route. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business...-sail-14330118



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    Re: This Liverpool 'ghost ship' could launch daily sailings to Llandudno by next spring

    Nice report there from the Daily Post - not so much about the second ship but the photos and video of Endeavour - although I would have much preferred a decent commentary on the video as opposed to the awful music.
    Nooks, proud to be a member of National Steam Ship Preservation since Mar 2011.

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    The second ship they are intending to buy is in Europe and "currently operational" according to an answer to a question posed in response to this

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    Things were moving along last weekend ......

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    A busy weekend in the engine room, as engineers and apprentices began taking up the floor plates to begin cleaning out and repainting the bilges. They even got so excited that they experimented with some polish on the main engines.

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    Re: This Liverpool 'ghost ship' could launch daily sailings to Llandudno by next spring

    Dear Webmaster

    Any chance this thread could be re-titled please - suggest ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    The current title was improbable 12 months ago - "next Spring" then was journalistic optimism and the timing dis-owned, yet 12 months later it is clear this ship will probably never operate such a service - even if a different one might, but that won't be "this Spring" either. ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

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    Re: This Liverpool 'ghost ship' could launch daily sailings to Llandudno by next spring

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by sealegs ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    Dear Webmaster

    Any chance this thread could be re-titled please - suggest ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    The current title was improbable 12 months ago - "next Spring" then was journalistic optimism and the timing dis-owned, yet 12 months later it is clear this ship will probably never operate such a service - even if a different one might, but that won't be "this Spring" either. ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    I have changed the thread to ENDEAVOUR PROJECT



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    They are back posting again

    Still looking out for volunteers, but post ....."We have volunteers from Kent, Suffolk, Cheshire, Wales, Oxfordshire, Yorkshire & lots of local Merseyside people all joining forces and having a great time".

    It appears that they can be accommodated aboard overnight

    The group seem to have obtained the ex Thames tug Swiftstone and have brought her from Queenborough up to Liverpool

    https://www.nationalhistoricships.or...620/swiftstone
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    They appear to have turned her around - with her own engines on and with help from their new tug

    The painted side of the ship looks very smart

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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    It seems the project has foundered - nothing at all on their facebook page for some months now. Ships of the Mersey facebook reports water ingress with some interior photos taken about 3 months ago and showing water swilling round below. No close up photos published yet - but she seems to be low in the water, rather than sunk Some recriminations that volunteers are being kept in the dark.

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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by sealegs ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    It seems the project has foundered - nothing at all on their facebook page for some months now. Ships of the Mersey facebook reports water ingress with some interior photos taken about 3 months ago and showing water swilling round below. No close up photos published yet - but she seems to be low in the water, rather than sunk Some recriminations that volunteers are being kept in the dark.
    Ooh heck.

    It had better not be Dublin all over again

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    Unless I am greatly mistaken, the facebook page has disappeared


    I have just read a post from 18th May on a German ship forum that the ship had settled on the bottom of Canada Dock and is under water to main deck level (and sabotage has been suspected by some)

    The post refers to a link to the FB page which is now dead
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    If she isn't raised fairly quickly and remedial work done any machinery will be wrecked; all wiring submerged will be ruined regardless.

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    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    PLEASE HELP US,
    DONATE TO THE ST DANIEL ADAMSON FULL STEAM AHEAD APPEAL.

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    At least it's shallow enough that recovery should be reasonably easy, though speed is still vital to avoid any further machinery degradation.

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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by somewhatfoolish ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    At least it's shallow enough that recovery should be reasonably easy, though speed is still vital to avoid any further machinery degradation.
    I've heard it suggested today that:
    - there is no money to finance a salvage operation (which sounds credible)
    - the MCA have ruled she is to be broken up (but is that within their powers?)

    Either way it looks as if Peel Ports are left with the problem.

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    The only power the MCA have is that of prohibition to prevent a vessel going to sea in an unseaworthy state. Assuming the water ingress isn't due to some catastrophic failure salvage in this instance is DIYable; trash pumps, sand & cement, some 2x4, some shuttering ply and screws to hold it all together, or perhaps some steel and a welder; the price of a few rounds of drinks in a city centre pub would cover it, although even that seems to be too much to ask. Is it a riveted hull? If not a weepy riveted seam then thin plating in the splash zone or seawater plumbing in the ER(if the sabotage/vandalism story is true it might be as simple as a strainer cover being removed).

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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by sealegs ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    Either way it looks as if Peel Ports are left with the problem.
    Exactly why they have not been entirely supportive of projects in the past.
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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by somewhatfoolish ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    The only power the MCA have is that of prohibition to prevent a vessel going to sea in an unseaworthy state. Assuming the water ingress isn't due to some catastrophic failure salvage in this instance is DIYable; trash pumps, sand & cement, some 2x4, some shuttering ply and screws to hold it all together, or perhaps some steel and a welder; the price of a few rounds of drinks in a city centre pub would cover it, although even that seems to be too much to ask. Is it a riveted hull? If not a weepy riveted seam then thin plating in the splash zone or seawater plumbing in the ER(if the sabotage/vandalism story is true it might be as simple as a strainer cover being removed).
    This project promised much but delivered nothing more than an opportunity for those who enjoy ship restoration to find a degree of fulfillment. Early suggestions that she might operate a passenger service to Llandudno never materialised - but as she had been so long out of service some had been surprised the suggestion had ever seen the light of day, and it was finally accepted she would never get a PC, although there was a hope she might be able to move light-ship between ports for static event use.

    I suspect the full story may never be known - it was pretty doubtful whether the MCA would have allowed her to go to sea, and the current problems probably reinforce that view. I've no idea whether DIY salvage as you suggest is possible but I cannot imagine Peel Ports allowing this group back anywhere near the ship now.

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    So it's a Tuxedo Royale situation again, incompetence and/or lack of resource giving preservation a bad name.

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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by somewhatfoolish ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    So it's a Tuxedo Royale situation again, incompetence and/or lack of resource giving preservation a bad name.
    The TR was not so bad to the extent that Lisa et al never had ownership (nobody did !) and tried to raise awareness. This project seems to mirror a failed one in Dublin undertaken by the same project leader

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    They shouldn't have taken their digital assets offline, and I don't think they have regularly executed bad practice.

    In which case, I think you're right - the project has been terminated and she's to be recycled.
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    The facebook page is back up ..... if it did ever disappear

    However there has been no activity since the post made at the time of the incident and subsequent reader posts

    The matter appears to be sub judice. It is interesting that there does not seem to have been any reporting in the Liverpool Echo

    The original post seemed to indicate that there was evidence uninvited people had been aboard

    This was also the attributed reason for the sinking of SS Dover / Tuxedo Royale at Middlesbrough a few years ago

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    Renovation work on an ex-German harbour ferry moored in a Bootle dock has ground to a halt after a suspected break-in.


    Hopes were high that the rusting vessel, re-named the Endeavour, would be brought back into service next year after a long period of decay and neglect.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news..._Click_FBshare



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    Re: ENDEAVOUR PROJECT

    ENDEAVOUR PROJECT Originally Posted by George Ted ENDEAVOUR PROJECT
    Renovation work on an ex-German harbour ferry moored in a Bootle dock has ground to a halt after a suspected break-in.


    Hopes were high that the rusting vessel, re-named the Endeavour, would be brought back into service next year after a long period of decay and neglect.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news..._Click_FBshare
    Thanks GT - but this is pretty awful newspaper reporting:
    - even the article admits that no work had been done for several months prior to the "suspected break in" - a period during which she had already had to be pumped out.
    - the hope that she would be able to sail with passengers - had been abandoned maybe as long as two years ago - although they had indicated an aspiration that she might move under her own power so that she could be used as a static venue in different places.
    - they (or their "associates" in the "Liverpool & North Wales SS Co") had announced (last year?) that they were purchasing a different vessel - currently in service somewhere in North Europe - to operate passenger services - but the vessel was never identified, nor has she appeared.

    I suspect the best thing that can be said about this project is that it provided an opportunity for a group of people who wanted to work on an old ship to do just that. The passenger accomodation inside of the ship seems not have been in bad condition and was restored quite extensively. Whether the engines/electrics etc could ever have been re-certified is questionable - but unless the hull is sound all is in vain. Maybe that should have been checked first.

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