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    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    It's from last year, so I don't know if it is known already:
    http://www.yachtworld.com/boat-conte...-steamer-sale/

    Does anyone know any background? Business going bad or any legal issues (as it was with PS Goethe on the river Rhine some time before)?

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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    The owner has been advertising DE MAJESTEIT for sale since at least July 2013. I assume he wants to move on to do something new.
    On 5 September, she has a rare public daytime cruise. It's for the Wereld Haven Dagen ("World Harbour Days") event and the fare for a four-hour cruise is €59.50, including a buffet lunch, beer and wine, etc.
    http://www.raderstoomboot.nl/nl/show...mber-2015.html

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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    PSPS ? (!)
    Last edited by tramscape; 07-03-2015 at 12:32.

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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale Originally Posted by tramscape Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale
    PSPS ? (!)
    A lovely idea but where would they operate her?

    The Thames might support her but a permanent operation (as opposed to Waverley's short annual visit) there would come up against powerful entrenched interests

    Certification would also presumably be a Nightmare!

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    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale Originally Posted by kylemore Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale
    A lovely idea but where would they operate her?
    Well, I have already set out proposals at length over the last year or so - and, whisper it softly - was done with this scenario in mind

    As we have at least one council member reading these posts, the seed, sown, may yet find the nurture for it to blossom

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    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale Originally Posted by tramscape Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale
    Well, I have already set out proposals at length over the last year or so - and, whisper it softly - was done with this scenario in mind

    As we have at least one council member reading these posts, the seed, sown, may yet find the nurture for it to blossom
    Well here's hoping Tramscape but I think they've got more than their hands full at the moment!

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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    Waverley is in WEL's capable hands, KC in capable hands too

    MoL and MQ have their own people looking after their ships, TC and WC too

    PSPS? I am sure they are looking for something to do ............... maybe like preserving an operational paddle steamer !
    Last edited by tramscape; 07-05-2015 at 23:02.

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    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale Originally Posted by kylemore Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale
    Certification would also presumably be a Nightmare!
    That's probably an understatement. The MCA doesn't like old ships and doesn't like ships transferring from a foreign flag. They'd probably laugh if anyone suggested bringing in an 89-year-old steamship.

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    Ah ! I thought Geoff would have some sort of dampener for this

    No, we can't have sub-standard rubbish off those Europeans. The Hood was of course far superior to Bismarck ............. not !

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    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale Originally Posted by tramscape Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale
    Ah ! I thought Geoff would have some sort of dampener for this

    No, we can't have sub-standard rubbish off those Europeans. The Hood was of course far superior to Bismarck ............. not !
    well if you put Battlecruisers up against proper Battleships then it usually ended in tears - Hood was a victim perhaps of her own mythology.

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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    Yes, probably not a good analogy but all I could think of in the moment !

    Anyway, I'm a bit deflated now. If it isn't going to happen soon, I'm just going to have to seriously consider whether it's worth continuing my 26+ years unbroken membership of PSPS !

    Bolt, shot, missed !
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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    Just a question out of interest: Rudesheim former KD fleetmate Goethe is now registered in Malta (but still operating on the River Rhine) - is there any legal requirement to register any "foreign" ship (operating in UK waters) in the UK (MCA)?

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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale Originally Posted by steamjoe Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale
    Just a question out of interest: Rudesheim former KD fleetmate Goethe is now registered in Malta (but still operating on the River Rhine) - is there any legal requirement to register any "foreign" ship (operating in UK waters) in the UK (MCA)?
    All the legislation is available on the internet ......... but it is quite some task to go through it !

    Annex 2 of this bit is quite interesting

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._Chapter_2.pdf

    It gives all the rules for certification of foreign "traditional" (historic ?) ships for when they visit the UK - but the rules state that they cannot trade regularly as commercial passenger ships purely through temporary certification based on mutual recognition of the certificates of the ship's home country - unless they are surveyed/certified by MCA. The rules have provision for, it would appear, occasional passenger trips throughout the year.

    I guess they have not expected any coastal/river cruise ships to be foreign flagged - as I guess the operators and ships used are too small for operators ever to consider it ! Certainly, Waverley and Balmoral, the two large coastal excursion ships, owned by UK charities are unlikely to be able to go foreign flagged although IIRC Waverley does (or did?) use a foreign-registered company for some of its activities

    There are rules for overseas ships using UK waters whether they be commercial ships or private yachts / cabin cruisers etc which tend to rely on temporary permits based on accepting overseas inspection standards - but they must still comply with certain UK requirements regardless
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    Re: Rudesheim / de Majesteit for Sale

    There are several Dutch sailing ships which come to the Thames every year and offer cruises.
    http://www.sailroyalgreenwich.co.uk/

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